Well, right now I have my last dip in. After I take it out, I'm done. End of story..I wish. I've tried to quit before, but never made it past 2 days before. I've been able to cut down before, down to a tin every few days, but then just go back up to usual. I know this is going to be hard, but I'm worried of what will happen if I don't quit now, so I know I need to. I chew around one tin of Copenhagen long cut straight per day. Wow, I've said that enough at counters.."Copenhagen long cut straight"

Anyway, what do you all think is the best way to go about quitting? I know I want to quit, but I'm not sure what the best ways are for somebody who dips as much as me. I'm thinking that I'm going try cutting open tea bags, and using that. I'm hoping that will help.

Also-I don't really care if you believe in prayer or not, but if you would say a quick prayer to help me to quit, I would appreciate it.

I'll check in later today (Friday) and update how my first day is going. All I need to remember is, I don't need to worry about the cravings I have today, deal with it tomorrow. I saw that somebody else on here used that method, and I think it's a good mindset to be in. I honestly think its more a mental thing that I need to overcome, not so much a physical issue.

The advice you need to hear is what has worked the best for all of us wh0 have been though this. Understand that at the moment you are completely and totally addicted to tobacco. Way more than some of us who have quit and way less than some of us. But we all have in common all the places, times, and situations where we dipped. Just like you do. And we have all been through a day 1, 2 ,3 ,4 etc. So yes, we DO KNOW how tough this is for where you are right now.

I can tell you that at day 115 everything about my addiction to dipping has changed. I now can enjoy everything I do without being a slave to the tin. A few things helped me with my quit. First off, i ate whatever and whenever I wanted for the first 2 weeks. I had licorice, seeds, chocolate, gum etc. Believe me , none of this replaced my Kodiak but it helped some. Drinking Green Tea all day really did help me quite a bit. After the first few days you will feel a little better but you have to stay with it.

More than anything this website helped me. Believe me, I could not have done this without QS.org. I never stuck out a quit longer than a few weeks and I dipped 1 1/2 tins a day for about 23 years. During my first month of the quit I posted and read all day and night when I wasn't busy with work, family, etc. It helped tremendously and it will help you.

You are now a quitter. You do not have to look more forward than today but DO NOT LOOK BACK TO TOBACCO.
Act like a quitter today and you will be a quitter tomorrow.

KEEP ME POSTED AS TO HOW YOU ARE DOING AND PM ANYTIME YOU NEED HELP THIS WEEKEND ESPECIALLY

Good Luck, man


Nomas60

as someone who is now on day 3 of a 18 yr addiction to dip I can already see the benefits of quitting. YOU CAN QUIT. its just that simple. tell yourself you have the will power to quit and that you will NOT fall down.

the 12th hour of the first day was what seemed like the roughest for me and while yesterday was no picnic it was better than the day before , just like today, and tomorrow will be. I am doing this one day at a time.

something else that worked for me, I got rid of any and everything dip related around me, spit bottles , empty cans, I even vacumed the car out to get every little trace of dip out. I would wish you good luck , but luck has no place in this.... YOU CAN DO IT!

I know that my brain is trying to kill me. I know that I should quit, and be done with it, but I'm telling myself that I still have a tin and a half laying around, just finish that, and then quit. I know that's a bad idea, even though I'm only 3 hours into my quit. I should just throw it away, I know that. But when I think about doing that, the part of my brain that wants to kill me is telling me I would be wasting almost $10 if I do that. I think for now I'm just going to keep reading on here, because for some reason it makes me not want to while I'm reading. I don't know if it just makes me think about quitting while reading on here, or if it that I would feel "guilty" for throwing in a dip while reading on here. I'm not sure what it is, but either way..I'll be browsing this site more for the next while today.

I've also noticed, from when I've tried to quit before-seeing anything dip related really makes you want to have some. Anything from seeing a tin that was thrown away, or a dip discarded in a parking lot, to a ring on a person's pair of jeans. All things considered though, I really picked a bad time to quit. I usually dip more on Friday's & the weekends, often up to 2 tins per day.

I almost feel like I should try and quit starting Monday instead, since I usually dip the least in the beginning of the week. I'm almost wondering if I should do that instead, and just having a dip this weekend when the cravings get really strong, to cut back some before the final quit. What do you guys think? Is this a logical idea? It seems like it might be, since I won't be wanting as much in those first few days, as compared to the weekend. On the other hand though, I'm not sure, maybe my brain just came up with this, to try and kill my ideas of quitting.

I'm seriously considering doing this..but want your opinions. My reasons to think it is a good idea:
-Since I usually chew less the first few days of the week, it would be easier for me to get past the 3 day mark where the toxins are still in my body
-Since last night I hadn't had any plans of quitting today, until about 30 minutes before I posted this thread, the 2 1/2 more days before the final quit would give me time to cut back on my intake some, and also allow me to mentally prepare more, not just a quick decision. Plus, it would give me more time to convince myself of the reasons I need to quit, before the final quit.
-By that time, I won't have any sitting around, so I won't have the feeling of wasting money, giving me one less reason to have a dip once I start the quit
-I will be able to go through the proper steps better, mentally preparing, cutting back, ect.

What do you guys think? Am I trying to kill myself, or do you think it actually will increase my chances of quitting, with having more time to prepare. I'm worried not really thinking about it before making a sudden decision will lead to me not being successful. Most places I've looked say pick a date 1-2 weeks away, not 1-2 minutes away. Plus, honestly, the only real reason I have been able to come up for quitting is the money, and a little bit the health. However, since I know many people who dip their whole lives without problems, the health risks are somewhat lost on me. I hate to say it, but first hand experiences have a greater impact on me that pictures of people missing their jaws & whatnot online.

So, thoughts? Should I give myself 2 days to prepare both in cutting back, and mentally, along with coming up with more reasons, and trying to quit in the time of week I have less anyway, or should I just continue with the quit I started last night, with no notice. I'm not concerned with the ethics of starting back up after quitting, I'm concerned that I won't be able to quit/quit as easily being completely unprepared. Probably I think that because of my previous experiences, which were just deciding to quit one day, and trying to, and have all failed.

I need advice from you guys, the ones who have quit, and who are working on it. Will I have a better chance at quitting if I wait 2 for the final quit, allowing myself to prepare better?

add your name to the HOF for December and by doing that you are making a promise to us all and yourself that you arent going to dip. I know a lot of people taper off and gradually quit but for me I knew that was just my excuse and that it was all or nothing.

sounds like you are trying to make a case for dipping a few more days. if you want to truely quit , then quit. we got your back when you take that step!

Alright, after reading through ways of quitting, I think the period where you mentally prepare yourself is very important. I'm always better at doing things when I have time to think them through and prepare myself first. I have changed my official quit date to Monday, the 8th.

Sure, I know part of why I am is because I don't want to quit, yet do at the same time. Me putting off my quit really isn't the issue now, my issue is quitting and making it work, even if it delays the quit date some. If I quit for a month, and start back up, that didn't do me any good. Plus, I know if after I quit for a while, I will feel a nice buzz again, along with stirring up old dipping memories, so I know I will then quickly be back to square one.

So, now that the date is Monday, I need advice on the best ways to prepare myself. What do you guys think helped the most? Also, hold me to my Monday date. When I was quitting today, since it was a decision made out of the blue, I wasn't ready to yet. But, Monday it is. I only have my tin and a half for today and the weekend, and won't be buying more. Spacing it out will be a big change, since most weeks that would be gone by later tonight/early tomorrow. Help me out with this guys, I know I'll need it.


I suppose I'll start with my back story on how I started. When I was a sophomore in High School, I had no intentions of ever starting. In one of my classes, I was good friends with another kid my age, and there was a kid in the class who was over 18, who bought the other kid his dip. Well, one day, he brings my friend his tin, and my friend isn't there that day, so he gives it to me, since I probably would see him first. Well, the tin had already been opened and a dip removed. This is normal whenever you buy tobacco/beer for somebody, you always take a dip/cig/beer as a buyers fee. Well, since it was open, I figured I would give it a try. Just because I was a curious person. Well, it was a small dip, and I honestly don't really remember it to well now. I know I liked it, but at that point, had no interest in ever getting more. Fast forward 2 years. I'm hanging out with another friend, who decided to run to the store and get a tin. Well, I go with him, and we both have some. Neither of us were dippers, it was just something we decided to do for a good buzz. When we got it, we made a pact. It worked out great.....it was that we would both make sure the other didn't get addicted. As I'm sure you all know, there is no way that ever works. Well, long story short, I got addicted first. I was angry at him for some time, because he "broke the pact". I was really mad at myself, though, just re-directed it at him. What I didn't know, was that he was also addicted, but just never had any around me to appear as though he wasn't. Earlier this summer, "the gang" as I'm calling us, old college buddies, got together. There were 5 of us. Well, in the past, the other 3 guys always told me and the one friend how stupid we were for dipping. Yeah, it was true, but it still pissed us off. Back to earlier this summer, where we were all hanging out. We are all sitting on the deck, drinking some beers. Well, one guy pulls out a tin, because he needed a dip, even though we had all been trying to not show any signs of the fact that we dipped, because we were all a little ashamed about it. Well, after the first guy pulled out his tin, within 5 minutes, we had all pulled out our tins and taken a dip. Turns out we were all addicted. The other guys had decided to try it at some point, partially because they all wanted to see what we saw in it. So, we all ended up being the cause of each other getting addicted. This is one of the more recent things that made me realize I needed to quit. Plus, I'm hoping that I can inspire the rest of them to quit. I'm planning on calling them soon, and letting them know my decision, and ask if they want to join me in quitting. Official start date: Monday, the 8th.

Medic6425: You responded while I was typing this. I appreciate your input, and agree that me bumping back my quit date is partially just an excuse to dip for a little longer. I know that, which re-enforces more how much it is controlling my life. But, after thinking about it for a while, I don't think I will be able to quit without having some preparation, so I'm giving myself these few days to do that. Plus, since I usually dip less in the beginning of the week, I know it will be easier to do those first couple days. I think it is the best way for me. I will defiantly be needing help from the people here starting Monday. Also, is that chat room still up? I noticed a link to it in one of the threads, but it was a dead link. Has it been moved, or is it just the board now?

Thanks in advance for the support I will be needing.

The only chat room we have is located in the Live Chat link located at the top right of each page. Here is the link to go directly to the chat. It works as long as your computer has java enabled. But there are not always a lot of people in there. Usually in the evenings is the best time to find people in there.

Nomas and Medic provided a lot of useful info to help you, and it seems like you've read through a lot of the site, so all of the advice you need is located throughout. You can buy fake dip (non-tobacco, non-nicotine) either online or sometimes in stores like Wal-Mart (such as Smokey Mountain snuff, located in the tobacco aisle), or chew regular gum (not nicorette), beef jerky, tea, toothpicks, cotton balls, hard candies, drink lots of ice cold water, start an exercise program if you don't already have one, etc. When you have craves, try to get online and vent in your quit group (once you actually QUIT....don't post there if you're not quit yet). Post, read, post, read...the best way to battle this addiction is with information. You'll have plenty of support in your quit. Unfortunately, we are all addicts, and have made countless plans and promises to quit over the years and never followed through with them. So it's hard for some of us to devote too much time to supporting you when you haven't quit yet. If you cannot tell, I'm a strong advocate of quitting cold turkey NOW. But we cannot force you. Keep in mind, though, that we WILL be holding you to your promise to quit by Monday, if not sooner. Personally speaking, I don't want to hear any BS excuses come Monday morning if I don't see your name on the roll call in December 2008 with Day One (or more) beside it.

Oh, one more question...you usually dip on the weekends, huh? So what do you plan to do in 7 days when the next weekend rolls around? Are you going to use that as an excuse again and cave? If so, please don't bother wasting our time. This site is for serious quitters.

I quit specifically for this weekend b/c I know it would be hard, but I know the time is NOW. I think you should just throw your dip away today and start up with me and the dec guys. But it's your choice. Obviously, by coming here you are telling yourself you shouldn't be doing what you are doing. You are kind of justifying yourself of a few extra days of using. But only you can make the decision, yadda yadda yadda. Good luck, hope to see you on roll call at least by monday.

hey jluce, nice post. Glad to have you in my group. I'm with you! Make today your day 1. If you can't because you've already caved today, then make tomorrow your day 1. Those are really the only two options. anything else your just wasting time and prolonging your own agony.

I'm sorry for your lack of faith in me, but I am just trying to have the best chance of quitting that I can, and using advice from on here. As I stated already, most things I have read say to give yourself some time before your actual quit date to prepare. That is my reason for the date change, simply because it makes sense. Plus, since I dip less during the beginning of the week, it will be less of a change for me not to be dipping, during those first 3 days until the nicotine is out of my body. Is it a logical plan? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell.

As to what you say "Are you going to use that as an excuse again and cave? If so, please don't bother wasting our time."

I'm sorry. I thought this site was to help people with quitting. Are you saying that I am the only person who has ever failed/changed their mind about a quitting date? It seems to me, that those of us who fail in quitting should be using that as a lesson for the next time we try. Now we ask ourselves, was my first time a failure? Technically, yes it was. That's right. I failed. Why did I fail? Because I was surfing the internet at 2 in the morning trying to figure out ways to quit, and when I found this site, decided I was going to quit then and there, without properly preparing myself. Maybe instead of harassing me for my failure, saying "this site is for serious quitters only" you should help me learn from it, for when I try on Monday.

Since you are a moderator, I'm surprised you haven't banned me yet for having failed. After all, it's a site for serious quitters only.

My apologies for posting in the December HOF thread before my actual quit date, but I thought I would go ahead and post there, to make a promise to myself, as well as everybody here for when I am actually quitting.


Edit: My apologies for a "pissed off" post. I'm simply in a bad mood, because since I am trying to cut back before Monday, I haven't had a dip all day. Then, because I was getting in a bad mood, I figured I would go on this site, to read and remind myself of why I want to quit, and to remind myself that I need to and whatnot. The way you posted that makes it sound like if somebody fails with a quit, they shouldn't be allowed on this site, since they couldn't just throw it away and succeed the first time like the rest of you. If you are actually criticizing people for failing, it's only going to make people start lying about when they fail, not admit it, which will help them learn from it. It's gotten me to thinking about maybe some people on here are actually dipping while they type their HOF speech, just so they wouldn't have had to admit that they failed. I never realized that admitting failure would make one not welcome here.

Edit again: I'm sorry for how pissed off I was in my last edit. Reading the edit will let you know why I'm in a bad mood. I'm done with this edit before I go off on another rant.

Yes, you are right. I am simply justifying myself a few extra days. I'm using this as a learning experience, and will be starting Monday morning by throwing away all of my dip, along with the 100 some empty tins I have laying around in the house, and in my glove compartment and in the storage area under my armrest in the car.

I always say, when you fail, use it as a lesson. I learned that by not throwing out the dip I had left, because I couldn't bear to see it wasted, I used that as an excuse to go a few more days. Monday, whatever I have gets thrown away, no matter what.

Hey USER53 dude i tried to quit so many times ive lost count...so have many other people on this site. I dont want you to have to go through that too. I want you to just stop right now and get it over with. Trust me...cutting back simply doesnt do anything but make quitting harder. Just stop. You keep talking about all this stuff that you read about good advise...well your not going to get any better advise then directly from the members of this forum because they have all been addictied and quit. they say quit cold turkey and do it now. are there some cheaters? Yeah, probably..but the real quitters can't worry about that. all we can worry about is keeping that solemn promise for ourselves and for the other people in here busting their asses to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. I think if you just stop chewing and get some time quit under your belt you will see the light and forgive people for what you view now as being "hard on you".

Yeah, you're probably right. I know I just need to quit and be done with it, but as you all know, it's hard.

The hardest week of my life is about to start. I'm going to post a list of my biggest incentives to quit now, so I can look back at why I'm quitting when I'm having a hard time. I'm going to post these from biggest reasons to smallest reasons..



1. Proving to myself and others that I can, and hopefully inspiring my friends (one in particular) to quit, also.
2. Money. It costs me a lot, both from the costs of buying it, and the cost of gas when I go for a drive and dip, so people won't hassle me about it.
3. Social situations. I don't want to have to worry about what people will think if I throw in a dip
4. I won't need to make sure I've got my spitters and tins hidden when certain people ride with me
5. I won't need to make sure my teeth are clean in certain situations. No more worrying about getting all of the grains out
6. No more seeing grains around from where I've spilled some in the past
7. Not having to hear lectures from the dentist anymore
8. No more putting in dips while driving

There's one thing that really bothers me though. People who have gotten over their tobacco habit, either smoking or dipping, and then think other people should, even if they don't want to. I'm all for helping people who want to quit, but not forcing people to quit who don't want to. Our local smoking in public ban was authored and pushed through by an ex-smoker. Her view was, since she quit, she thinks that other people shouldn't be allowed to. Almost as though she's saying "I'm better than you now, and if you aren't like me, I'll do my best to force you to be like me"

I just pray that I don't become like this once I'm tobacco free. I can't imagine that I will be, but I still worry about it.

i bet that if you have the balls to go through with it user53, and do quit...you'll agree that everyone, everywhere thats addicted to nicotine in any form should quit right now.

It's not so much that I will think that, it's just I don't want to become one of those people that tries to force my opinions on others.

well thats noble of you, but i dont think you should be worrying about that right now...this is what i suggest you worry about. Not using tobacco. I think that you should warm up for monday but not doing ANY tomorrow. Then when you start posting on monday, you'll already have a 1 day head start.
Just worry about not dipping and only worry about it 1 minute, hour or day at a time max. dont worry about the week ahead, just today.

I've been around long enough to see countless people come in with "plans" to quit, and then they don't follow through. If you lurk on the site and read all the articles and other stuff in preparation for quitting, that's fine. The site is open to anyone. But I find it hard to have faith in you when you've not done anything yet for me to think you'll follow through. You talk a good talk, but we don't see you doing the walk. Posting all of this stuff you're posting is like someone coming into an AA meeting with a bottle of Jack Daniels and smelling of alcohol and telling the other alcoholics that he plans to quit next week. This is a Quit Smokeless Support Network....it's hard to support you if you haven't quit smokeless yet. Guys are going through the tough times right now on this site, denying themselves of tobacco and enduring the physical and mental withdrawals. It's bad enough when they see friends and/or co-workers using tobacco around them. I don't think most of them want to come onto this quit site and be lectured by someone who is still using tobacco. Or are you? You say you're in a bad mood because you haven't had a dip all day, but then why not just go ahead and officially quit and post your promise not to use tobacco on roll call? I've read all your posts and have heard your reasons, but they are not new. I've heard them many, many times from people just like you, and I told people the same excuses over the last 26 years why I couldn't quit just yet.

Please don't try to pull the victim card. When you quit, you get support. When you debate about whether to quit, then you get a debate right back. We expect people to be in bad moods and vent here when they quit. They can call us names and rant and rave all they want. Quitters have earned that right. But please do not come onto this site and tell us how to do our job. We've helped thousands of people to quit using smokeless tobacco. We must know what we are doing. You, however, are still using tobacco (at least, I think so...correct me if I'm wrong). If you cannot stop using yourself, why do you try to tell others what they are doing wrong? I just see you setting yourself up for failure. You want to cry victim so that you will not follow through with posting Day One on Monday as you said you were going to do. You'll blame Killerattorney for being a jerk and running you off the site. "Oh, he criticized me and hurt my feelings...it's his fault I'm still putting worm dirt in my mouth".

Yes, we accept that some people fail and have to try again, and maybe fail again and again. But how can you fail if you haven't started yet? You made a conscious decision to give up your quit and wait until Monday. So be it. But if you have a child, would you let him stick a fork in an electrical socket? Of course not. You'd do everything you could do to stop him, even if you have to yell at him and hurt his feelings. But adults have more experience than children and are trying to help protect them. And those of us as many days quit as I have know a little something about quitting and how to do it successfully. You think I'm being hard on you, but I'm just trying to help quit. My point about the weekend is that if you use an excuse this week, you'll be more likely to use an excuse next week or whenever you run into some unexpected stress or circumstance. You'll justify a cave and just say "I'll go ahead and cave now and quit again whenever the timing is better". But again, don't come onto a site as a new member and try to make decisions on how we do things here. We don't run people off for failing. We encourage them to try again and quit. That is what I'm doing here, trying to help you to quit.

I'm speaking to you as a quitter, not a moderator. Don't give me that BS about banning you. We don't ban people just because they fail. In fact, there's very little that will get you banned around here. Check the Board Guidelines if you want to see the rules. It's late Saturday night/early Sunday morning now. I don't expect you to move up your quit date now. But you chose to post here and many potential quitters may read what you've written and decide to postpone their own quit dates. It is them that I am really writing this for. I'm a strong proponent of pulling the bandage off quickly as opposed to slowly, or jumping into the deep end of the pool, not wading in slowly. And the most successful quitters here and anywhere just make the decision to quit and then DO IT. As I said, I've been around here a while and have seen quite a few members come to this site. I've seen what works and what does not.

As for your post in December...the first time was a mistake, I understand that. But roll call is a promise not to use tobacco that day. It is not a promise to make a promise at some point in the future. And I see today you once again posted in the quit groups' section, only as a supporter. I understand that you do not know the formalities yet, so please understand...do not post anywhere on a roll call unless you are a quit, not even in the "supporters" section. Monday morning you can post with the quitters in December 2008 when you make your promise not to use tobacco that day, and you can post on any other groups board in the supporters section if you like.

Nicotine is a dangerous, addictive drug. Even when I used it, I knew that, but I was unable to stop on my own. This site and the people on here helped me to quit and saved my life. I may not be a "tobacco nazi" and look down on tobacco users in scorn, but I do look at them differently now. I see them as people who need help and may not know how to stop on their own, so I will offer to help them if I can. If they don't want to quit, fine. But most people I meet tell me they want to quit but can't. I give them the website address and a little information and let them make up their own mind. For many quitters, early in their quit if they see someone spitting in a bottle they get jealous and start craving a dip themselves. But after a few weeks (maybe more) of being quit, when they see those same people spitting into a bottle, they see it for what it really is....a vile, disgusting, pointless habit.

See you on Monday, when you post Day One in the roll call, my friend.

Alright, I'm changing my quitting date again.

That's right, I said I'm changing it again.

You guys are right, there's no real good reason for me to wait until Monday. So, I'm changing it to now. As in now. I just cleaned out my car, since I throw empty tins there when I finish while driving. I dug out 54, along with throwing away my car and house spitters. I don't need to see that stuff anymore, all it will do is taunt and tempt me. I've also thrown out a little over a tin of unused dip, one of the tins I had left still hadn't been open. It feels like a waste, but I've realized I'm really not wasting anything I want. Although I still believe it would be easier to start Monday, I know it will be hard to quit anytime, so might as well just make it now and get it over with. It won't be easy, no matter when I quit.

So, now, it's good bye tobacco. My first month or two with you was fun, from the buzz and all, but now you don't do anything for me except being a pain in the ass. It's time to move on.

I'm now wearing a rubber band on my wrist. Anytime I want some, It'll get a good snap. These first few days are going to be hard, but after all...it's just a few days.

mooseLB63-I mostly decided to switch it because of what you said. You were right, delaying my quit date won't really help me prepare much better. I've already had long enough to prepare. As you say, now is the time. It's time to end the excuses, and start the action to end the addiction.

When you throw your dip out, make sure to open it up and throw the insides of the can out. As fucked up as it sounds, I've actually fished my can out from the trash before. What a dip shit I was. Congrats on your decision. It's going to be hard, (I haven't got much sleep the last few nights - I wake up periodically) but we can do this shit together. Also, since I've quit I even found $20 on the side of the road. Good karma, anyone?

i appriciate that man. You contact me anytime you need to. Ill even give you my number in a private PM We'll help each other...but now you've put me on the spot here so I'm counting you to come through on a personal level. Stay quit!! Dont dissappoint us and we'll be your best friends.

good job on taking the plunge now and getting the monkey off your back!!! as its been said before, stay strong , read and post often and we will all get through this!

Before I threw it out, I opened it up, and soaked it with bug killer. Just a little more poison, you know?

man I know it hard, trust me I know but you are taking a step in the right direction to be free! I travel alot and dreaded flights where I knew I couldnt dip.

congrats again on joining the DEC group ! we are taking it by force if we have too !

I've got something new I'm doing...sitting by the computer, I've got a pair of 30lbs weights. Then, when I feel an urge, I just pick them up and do some curls. Working out pretty good for now

Good idea. Substitute a good habit for a bad one. I am into cardio (jogging), but I need to get some weights and use those during the wintertime, when I usually put back on all of the weight I lost during the summer, since I can't run.

Yeah, it's already cold here. Barely 60 degrees, and cloudy. Woke up this morning, and had the window open over night, and was nearly a popsicle

I'm not liking this weather..too cold..supposed to get down to 39 degrees tonight!!!